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JL
QUOTE (Graeme @ Nov 16 2008, 09:31 AM) *
It's embarrassing how an organization the size of the NHL can't be bothered to spend a bit of money to actual get technology that works correctly. Its the same thing with this forum constantly crashing ...

You're preaching to the choir here! laugh.gif
Dintrox12
Captcha works okay for me though I need to refresh once to see the code. they should have had this from the beginning.

QUOTE (Greek Hab @ Nov 16 2008, 08:53 AM) *
VOTE VINNY!!!

KICK SAVARD OUT


Vinny cry to the owners about the meany coach.. Give me a break!! Savard is at least playing well. it's a shame one player from every team has to make the all star teams 'cause there is no one on that Lightning team that is deserving...
King-Carey-31
CAPTCHA can be hacked, and has been before, the technology the NHL should be using is Re-CAPTCHA, but hey, when someone hacks the system, I'll laugh.
Graeme
QUOTE (King-Carey-31 @ Nov 16 2008, 01:56 PM) *
CAPTCHA can be hacked, and has been before, the technology the NHL should be using is Re-CAPTCHA, but hey, when someone hacks the system, I'll laugh.

There is no way to know for sure if a user is human or computer, and there likely will never be. But captcha is still very good if implemented correctly. And re-captcha has no added security, all it is doing is trying to make captcha more profitable.
WinnipegJet
QUOTE (Greek Hab @ Nov 16 2008, 09:53 AM) *
VOTE VINNY!!!

KICK SAVARD OUT


Isn't it just the starting five that get voted in?
Innis_Mor
re: Ballot's Captcha on the web ....

before you cast your vote, if you can't immediately discern the 5 Captcha charachters, hit F5 to re-display and get a new set of charachters. Z's and X's are particularly problematic as you can't tell whether upper or lower case is being sought (or at least I can't).
Innis_Mor
QUOTE (WinnipegJet @ Nov 16 2008, 03:25 PM) *
Isn't it just the starting five that get voted in?
Starting Six.
ColRouléBleu
If I was a betting person, I would bet that the people using bots are among the first to demand hard work and consistency from the players they have their computer voting for wink.gif
GreekHockeyCoach
QUOTE (ColRouléBleu @ Nov 16 2008, 05:56 PM) *
If I was a betting person, I would bet that the people using bots are among the first to demand hard work and consistency from the players they have their computer voting for wink.gif

too funny laugh.gif
J Haul
Well, it seems they're slowly gouging Habs votes. When I checked last night Kovalev was at about 203 thousand votes. When I checked just now he was at about 196 thousand votes. I have a feeling that despite how the voting might actually go, the results will not reflect the truth and the NHL in the end won't let it happen. For shame! Why have a vote, just to skew it?
1337FREAK
If you can hack the system, I doubt Habs fans are the only ones doing it.
JL
QUOTE (ColRouléBleu @ Nov 16 2008, 02:56 PM) *
If I was a betting person, I would bet that the people using bots are among the first to demand hard work and consistency from the players they have their computer voting for wink.gif

Too funny! laugh.gif

I wouldn't know how to hack, and if I did, I wouldn't.

Now work you overpaid bums! laugh.gif
Graeme
QUOTE (ColRouléBleu @ Nov 16 2008, 05:56 PM) *
If I was a betting person, I would bet that the people using bots are among the first to demand hard work and consistency from the players they have their computer voting for wink.gif

Except those people aren't getting paid millions to vote wink.gif

QUOTE (1337FREAK @ Nov 16 2008, 06:14 PM) *
If you can hack the system, I doubt Habs fans are the only ones doing it.

You're 100% correct Habs fans wouldn't be the only ones doing it. But you don't need to "hack" it at all, all these scripts do is hit the page the same way a human does
KevinVu19
for the east I put all the habs
and for the west i put all the avs

i love avs and habs, their my favs
carey31price
As of right now all the Habs have 200,000+ votes and they are killing the rest of the league! Good job guys.
ColRouléBleu

QUOTE (Graeme @ Nov 16 2008, 06:36 PM) *
Except those people aren't getting paid millions to vote wink.gif

True that but whatever happened to principles eh? tongue.gif Hmm... perhaps those skills could be used to write a script that will make the Habs win automatically 9 games out of 10? biggrin.gif

*** off to click in my 100 daily votes ***
Regis
QUOTE (carey31price @ Nov 17 2008, 06:20 AM) *
Good job guys.


Not really tongue.gif

http://habsinsideout.com/main/11033

Bleu, Blogue, Rouge: All-Star ballot-box stuffing embarrassment to Habs players, organization
posted by Dave Stubbs at 18h52 EST on Nov 16

DAVE STUBBS
The Gazette & Habs Inside/Out

For decades, Canadiens fans have been known for their passion, knowledge of hockey and love of their team and its rich traditions.

(This love is conditional, of course – many fickle fans file for divorce with a single loss then apologetically reconcile with a win, arguing this merely is a part of their passion. Whatever.)

Where other National Hockey League clubs have dumbed down the game with cheerleaders, off-ice distractions and cheesy promotions, the Canadiens have been restrained by comparison.

Yes, the club has reshaped a number of customs in recent years, marketing itself to beef up the bottom line in an obscenely expensive business.

It’s part of a strategic plan to attract new generations of fans who aren’t likely to wear furs and fedoras to the arena. If rally towels, car flags and an orange mascot aren’t the way the Canadiens used to be, neither is the NHL the quaint six-team league it once was.






But the club has also preserved and promoted its history and legendary players better than any other in hockey, which is why this 100th season has been tastefully special, one more embrace of what has gone before.

So it’s unfortunate now to witness a legion of Canadiens fans who know more about Vista than Vézina stuffing the digital ballot box for January’s Bell Centre All-Star Game. Their goal, through javascript and fingertip, is to ensure that all six Canadiens on the ballot will be named to the Eastern Conference starting lineup.

I’d suggest that the Canadiens organization is more than a little embarrassed by this.

And no matter how the half-dozen Montreal players publicly laud the passion of their fans, they’re surely red-faced, too. Any lustre of being voted to the All-Star Game is flushed with this frantic scheme.


Penguins' Crosby miles behind in fourth place

Forwards Alex Kovalev, Saku Koivu and Alex Tanguay, defencemen Andrei Markov and Mike Komisarek and goalie Carey Price are not merely leading every other player in their Eastern Conference categories. They are ahead by ridiculous margins, their monstrous numbers fuelled by computer-vote programs written to carpet-bomb, around the clock, for all six at once.

Last evening, four days into balloting, Kovalev, Koivu and Tanguay had vote totals nearing 200,000. The next closest forward, Pittsburgh’s Sidney Crosby, was approaching 88,000.

(In the Western Conference, where Detroit fans are similarly if less actively engaged in lobbying for the Red Wings, forwards Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk and Marian Hossa had about 90,000 each. In fourth, Calgary’s Jarome Iginla had roughly 85,000.)

On defence: Markov was at 214,000 and Komisarek at 195,000; Washington’s Mike Green was third at not quite 68,000.

In goal: Price had topped 210,000, leading the Penguins’ Marc-André Fleury by 167,000.

Last season, a richly deserving Markov was elected as a starter with 316,136 votes. At this rate, he’ll eclipse that total well more than a month before the Jan. 2 election close.

Maybe this nonsense is as silly as the All-Star Game itself, a popularity contest and nothing more. It’s a non-contact, strictly-for-laughs exercise designed to please fans, stroke sponsors, attract B-list celebrities and run up football scores to further convince NHL brass that nets should be larger and goalies smaller.

Digital ballot-box stuffing began in 2006-07, the first year of the unlimited online vote, when New Yorker Steve Schmid decided as a gag to lobby for the selection of Vancouver Canucks journeyman blue-liner Rory Fitzpatrick.

A Vancouver programmer’s subsequent “Rory Vote-O-Matic” swamped the league with 285,000 write-in votes in just two weeks.

Fitzpatrick, a 42-game Canadien in 1995-96, ultimately fell short and avoided selection humilation. Now, computer-literate Montreal fans have piled onto this ill-conceived bandwagon.

Canadiens stripped of thousands of votes

Late last week, the NHL said it was studying the legitimacy of this Habs runaway, the rules stating that automated voting activity is prohibited. Saturday into yesterday morning, it stripped thousands of votes from the Canadiens, as many as 20,000 from Kovalev alone if you’re to believe the “real-time” totals.


But then, does it really matter? The All-Star Game long ago took a fork in the road from its original purpose and much of its relevence.

The first official game, at Toronto’s Maple Leaf Gardens on Oct. 13, 1947, was played between coach Hap Day’s Maple Leafs and Canadiens coach Dick Irvin’s all-stars. One-third of proceeds went to children’s charities designated by the Maple Leafs, two-thirds to the newly created NHL Players Emergency (Benevolent and Disability) Fund.

The Maple Leafs lost 4-3, Canadiens defenceman Ken Reardon earning two assists and even a major penalty for fighting Toronto rearguard Vic Lynn. In an all-star game.

Goaler Bill Durnan, defenceman Butch Bouchard and forward Maurice Richard, with Reardon first-team all-stars in 1946-47, were the other Canadiens on Irvin’s bench.

Fanfare trumpeters heralded the on-ice arrival of each star, which Reardon later recalled as “one of the most moving moments of my career. …

“We were so determined to win that game you could almost hear the fellows grinding their teeth as they walked to the ice,” he said in Andrew Podnieks’s book The NHL All-Star Game: Fifty Years of the Great Tradition. “I never saw a group so fired up in all my hockey career.”

The game, which truly meant something in the late Reardon’s day, has taken many forms through six decades, a contest between teams, conferences, political rivals, even continents.

Where Reardon and Lynn were slugging one another in 1947, the only hits in January’s Bell Centre game will be to the voting website, many fans balloting even while asleep.

Maybe it’s time for the NHL to designate a committee to objectively select the all-star rosters, based purely on performance. Let the fans choose honourary captains and the players they wish to see in the skills competition, which is far more entertaining than the game anyway.

Montreal fans would be better off refreshing their players instead of their browsers. They’d be doing their heroes a bigger favour by flooding the vote for the other guys, to give six Canadiens a few precious days away from the rink in late January.

JL
^^^ Agreed!
AlexK
It's the NHL's fault IMO. They are the ones that allow for a setup where you can vot non stop. Obviously the Habs fans want to have a Hab starting lineup this year when the all-star game takes place at their home rink. Over the years we have seen many players make the all-star game that should not have made it. The NHL should have the players, coaches, and GMs, vote and thats it.
GreekHockeyCoach
QUOTE (JL @ Nov 17 2008, 10:15 AM) *
^^^ Agreed!

Disagreed smile.gif

Here's why and it's been posted over and over again. It's a stupid system and a new one needs to be implemented on how the selection process works. There are so many ways that the NHL could have made this voting system foolproof but they decided to not spend any money on this. Now, they'll spend triple and quadruple the money they could have originally spent to foolproof it just so they can investigate it. It's really frustrating that an organization such as this that generates the revenue that they do, to be so simplistic in implementing a proper voting system. I'm sure a 10th grader with above average computer knowledge could have written a better program.
roy_133
I'm sure the NHL is just happy that the voting system is getting headlines, bad or otherwise, because the allstar game has been irrelevant for aslong as I've been on this planet.
Innis_Mor
QUOTE (roy_133 @ Nov 17 2008, 10:45 AM) *
I'm sure the NHL is just happy that the voting system is getting headlines, bad or otherwise, because the allstar game has been irrelevant for aslong as I've been on this planet.
Very good point, Roy. It certainly explains why they didn't start off this year with some of the same, simple security measures they implemented after the Rory "story" 2 years ago.

"Any publicity is good publicity."
Now, some papers are writng about the all-star game (already), and some people know about the all-star game.
Miltie01
Right now it is ballot box stuffing and these script thingies.
A while ago it was All Star coaches filling out their roster with their own guys, leaving reall All Stars at home.
All the while some All Stars seem to get sick or injured suddenly so they can't (don't have to) go.

It is a joke, plain and simple. Why should Hab fans be scolded or be ashamed ?
It is after all the way it has been done for quite sometime, by everyone.
Habsgirl3823
There's more drama in this voting process than there was in my high school days... Wow.
GreekHockeyCoach
QUOTE (Habsgirl3823 @ Nov 17 2008, 11:28 AM) *
There's more drama in this voting process than there was in my high school days... Wow.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Innis_Mor
QUOTE (Habsgirl3823 @ Nov 17 2008, 11:28 AM) *
There's more drama in this voting process than there was in my high school days... Wow.
laugh.gif True words! biggrin.gif

.... as spoken by our resident humour queen ... biggrin.gif
QbGamer
LoL, they strip thousands of votes, and were still in the lead.

Keep voting guys, I got my 10 votes in for today

jennifer_rocket
I almost want to vote more now that the NHL is upset over these hacking programs. laugh.gif It's not like fans of other teams can't go and vote as much as we are. Oh wait, it's because we are the best fans in the league! I say, if we have the motivation to vote like mad, then we deserve to get what we want. We're the best fans, our city is hosting the event, so what did they think was going to happen? The NHL shouldn't have been so stupid as to make a Hab player eligible for every position. laugh.gif
hablover
there are probably more teams using the automated voting systems...and we already got votes taken way for it....and we are still kicking butt...

its kind of dissapointing that we were using automated voting systems...but hey, we still are way on top and that shows what kind of heart the fans have...
hatethoseleafs
QUOTE (jennifer_rocket @ Nov 17 2008, 12:56 PM) *
I almost want to vote more now that the NHL is upset over these hacking programs. laugh.gif It's not like fans of other teams can't go and vote as much as we are. Oh wait, it's because we are the best fans in the league! I say, if we have the motivation to vote like mad, then we deserve to get what we want. We're the best fans, our city is hosting the event, so what did they think was going to happen? The NHL shouldn't have been so stupid as to make a Hab player eligible for every position. laugh.gif



I agree JR biggrin.gif Its not like the Rory deal where it was a write in campaing. The 6 Habs are on the ballot and were voting them in. They could start us back at 0 for all i care. Habs fans will only get mad, then really get down to some serious voting, and roar back into the lead one vote at a time ( despite the pain that damn capcha thing is). I'm voting on average a couple dozen times ( minimum) each day, but i would find the time to increase that 10 fold ( at the expense of sleep) if need be. I'm sure i would be joined by thousands of true Hab fans. wink.gif
bigsby
QUOTE (jennifer_rocket @ Nov 17 2008, 06:56 PM) *
I almost want to vote more now that the NHL is upset over these hacking programs. laugh.gif It's not like fans of other teams can't go and vote as much as we are. Oh wait, it's because we are the best fans in the league! I say, if we have the motivation to vote like mad, then we deserve to get what we want. We're the best fans, our city is hosting the event, so what did they think was going to happen? The NHL shouldn't have been so stupid as to make a Hab player eligible for every position. laugh.gif


laugh.gif


so it's automated voting that's the problem? good thing because i thought it was simply the fact that habs fans have and will continue to vote(d) early and often.

and is that script thingie what the nhl came up with to contain us? it's really annoying considering i can't read it half the time. (one vote took me three tries).
WinnipegHabsFan
QUOTE (bigsby @ Nov 17 2008, 12:47 PM) *
laugh.gif


so it's automated voting that's the problem? good thing because i thought it was simply the fact that habs fans have and will continue to vote(d) early and often.

and is that script thingie what the nhl came up with to contain us? it's really annoying considering i can't read it half the time. (one vote took me three tries).


I know what you mean. If you want to have a security code, fine, but at least make sure that we're able to read.

Also whatever they do about the automatic voting thing definitely won't stop me from putting in my couple of votes a day.
Habsgirl3823
They put the reCAPTCHA in there... it's easier to read, and the little box has a refresh button just in case you can't read it, so you don't have to refresh the entire page.

I wish you could vote more than once per minute though.
JL
QUOTE (GreekHockeyCoach @ Nov 17 2008, 07:37 AM) *
Disagreed smile.gif

Here's why and it's been posted over and over again. It's a stupid system and a new one needs to be implemented on how the selection process works. There are so many ways that the NHL could have made this voting system foolproof but they decided to not spend any money on this. Now, they'll spend triple and quadruple the money they could have originally spent to foolproof it just so they can investigate it. It's really frustrating that an organization such as this that generates the revenue that they do, to be so simplistic in implementing a proper voting system. I'm sure a 10th grader with above average computer knowledge could have written a better program.

Oh I won't deny that one bit, but it's the negative publicity that I don't like. It's our centennial year and the organization is working very hard at making it a huge, positive event. Things like that take away from it and I find it sad to see that it's done by fans, for whom the organization is doing all of this for. That and you walk down the street, meet your friends and that's all they talk about. I'd rather discuss the Roy jersey retirement, the loonie with our logo on it, the DVD sets, the great history of this franchise instead. That was my point when agreeing with the article.
GreekHockeyCoach
QUOTE (JL @ Nov 17 2008, 08:30 PM) *
Oh I won't deny that one bit, but it's the negative publicity that I don't like. It's our centennial year and the organization is working very hard at making it a huge, positive event. Things like that take away from it and I find it sad to see that it's done by fans, for whom the organization is doing all of this for. That and you walk down the street, meet your friends and that's all they talk about. I'd rather discuss the Roy jersey retirement, the loonie with our logo on it, the DVD sets, the great history of this franchise instead. That was my point when agreeing with the article.


Here's the irony in all this though JL, the fans probably think they're doing the right thing for the organization by voting a starting lineup for our team.
JL
QUOTE (GreekHockeyCoach @ Nov 17 2008, 05:42 PM) *
Here's the irony in all this though JL, the fans probably think they're doing the right thing for the organization by voting a starting lineup for our team.

And they're accomplishing the opposite instead...
FirstStar
QUOTE (GreekHockeyCoach @ Nov 18 2008, 02:42 AM) *
Here's the irony in all this though JL, the fans probably think they're doing the right thing for the organization by voting a starting lineup for our team.

I did vote for some of our players, but I also voted for players of other teams, who I personally thought really deserved to be in the all-star game.

I agree with JL, everyone I run into, is talking about the all-star game and nothing else. Well, it's either the all-star game or how badly the habs have been playing as of late.

What happened to 100 years of history people?

I like that we've finally decided to retire Roy's number, but I'd still like to see us retire Shutt's #22. I know Begin wears it now, but I doubt Lafleur would've gotten as many goals as he did, if it weren't for Shutt.
FirstStar
QUOTE (WinnipegHabsFan @ Nov 17 2008, 10:00 PM) *
I know what you mean. If you want to have a security code, fine, but at least make sure that we're able to read.

Also whatever they do about the automatic voting thing definitely won't stop me from putting in my couple of votes a day.


Welcome WinnipegHabsFan, hope you enjoy the forum.

Nice to see you here, it's a shame that the league is talking about a second team in TO when Winnipeg deserves it more - A lot of people across Canada are upset at this.

It's good to have you on board, I didn't realize how many Habs fans there were across Canada, until my nephew worked for Bell. He worked the phones, he'd get calls pretty much everyday from customers asking how they could get RDS, so they could see Habs games.

This was a few years back, I guess it's easier now with Center Ice to get Habs games outside of Quebec.
RocketPower
QUOTE (FirstStar @ Nov 17 2008, 05:52 PM) *
I did vote for some of our players, but I also voted for players of other teams, who I personally thought really deserved to be in the all-star game.

I agree with JL, everyone I run into, is talking about the all-star game and nothing else. Well, it's either the all-star game or how badly the habs have been playing as of late.

What happened to 100 years of history people?

I like that we've finally decided to retire Roy's number, but I'd still like to see us retire Shutt's #22. I know Begin wears it now, but I doubt Lafleur would've gotten as many goals as he did, if it weren't for Shutt.

Shutt--- Lemaire--Lafleur what a great line biggrin.gif . Shutt should have his #22 retired--saw him playing
with Lafleur several years ago at a old timers game and made a perfect pass to Lafleur -tic tac toe -LAFLEUR SCORES biggrin.gif .
SK74
QUOTE (FirstStar @ Nov 17 2008, 11:04 PM) *
Welcome WinnipegHabsFan, hope you enjoy the forum.

Nice to see you here, it's a shame that the league is talking about a second team in TO when Winnipeg deserves it more - A lot of people across Canada are upset at this.

It's good to have you on board, I didn't realize how many Habs fans there were across Canada, until my nephew worked for Bell. He worked the phones, he'd get calls pretty much everyday from customers asking how they could get RDS, so they could see Habs games.

This was a few years back, I guess it's easier now with Center Ice to get Habs games outside of Quebec.


I guess, if you can cough up the money for the Center Ice package!

Expensive.. angry.gif ohmy.gif

I live here but if I could afford it I'd have that too because I want to watch some of the teams in the West for once.
MikeCammalleri13
KEEP VOTING...

...don't stop
Greek Hab
QUOTE (FirstStar @ Nov 17 2008, 08:52 PM) *
I like that we've finally decided to retire Roy's number, but I'd still like to see us retire Shutt's #22. I know Begin wears it now, but I doubt Lafleur would've gotten as many goals as he did, if it weren't for Shutt.


Have we forgotten the "Ring of Honour" ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9JmvjLNR1I

Forward to 2:10.
hatethoseleafs
QUOTE (CristoWallHuet39 @ Nov 17 2008, 11:55 PM) *
KEEP VOTING...

...don't stop


Much easier to do with that recapcha then just the capcha. I've done my duty for the day ( i'm guessing about 60 to 80 in an hour and a half). biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
WinnipegHabsFan
QUOTE (FirstStar @ Nov 17 2008, 08:04 PM) *
Welcome WinnipegHabsFan, hope you enjoy the forum.

Nice to see you here, it's a shame that the league is talking about a second team in TO when Winnipeg deserves it more - A lot of people across Canada are upset at this.

It's good to have you on board, I didn't realize how many Habs fans there were across Canada, until my nephew worked for Bell. He worked the phones, he'd get calls pretty much everyday from customers asking how they could get RDS, so they could see Habs games.

This was a few years back, I guess it's easier now with Center Ice to get Habs games outside of Quebec.


I agree, I really think that we could support a team, especially with the salary cap system.

Anyway when it comes to Canadiens games it works out well since I have MTS cable and I can take a channel that I don't watch and switch it out for RDS so I can watch the Habs games.
QbGamer
ok, i have done it again today

10 more votes in.

Keep it up

Voted all Canadiens

Oatmeal777
Our boys are gonna get eaten alive playing against the Western Conference's best.
hatethoseleafs
QUOTE (Oatmeal777 @ Nov 18 2008, 12:46 PM) *
Our boys are gonna get eaten alive playing against the Western Conference's best.

Keep it in perspective.Were voting for them to start the game and maybe play the first 30 seconds together. wink.gif
Innis_Mor
QUOTE (Oatmeal777 @ Nov 18 2008, 12:46 PM) *
Our boys are gonna get eaten alive playing against the Western Conference's best.
Nah, the Bell Centre zamboni driver has it all taken care of .... before the All-Star game, he's burying one those new Hab loonies at Centre H'ice (that's below the "CH" there wink.gif ) ....

laugh.gif biggrin.gif wink.gif
AFistFullofFlyer
QUOTE (Graeme @ Nov 16 2008, 12:26 PM) *
If you put stuff in a safety desposit box at a bank and they leave the vault unlocked by mistake and someone steals your stuff, are you not going to blame the bank?

If you order something online and the company does nothing to protect your credit card information, leaving it completely exposed to hackers, are you not going to blame the site for identity theft?


I usually blame the both the organization guarding the property and the CRIMINAL.

Really folks, I dont have a problem voting manually over and over again as I think the NHL left their site and promoted their voting that way. But clearly, you are on a slippery slope trying to defend using programs to simulate someone voting. A program simulating someone clearly outpaces many zealous fans voting over and over again.

I hear the justification, "Hey everyone else can use these bots". Well look at the voting results and clearly you can see that all the Habs players are magnitudes ahead of everyone else. So given this lead, how many other fans from other teams do you think have botted?

Now why has the majority of the botting occured for the Habs? Is it due to technical skill of a few Hab fan engineers over all the other fans? Well the hack was posted weeks ago and some one less savy could have altered it for their team. Why didnt the other teams pick this up?

Alot of fans from other teams are beginning to suspect its because their fanbase had more class and that is sad because the Habs organization has meant so much to hockey.
roy_133
This situation is just a microcosm of the lack of class our fan base generally exhibits, not that it bothers me or embarrasses me personally but we used to be considered the gold standard for classy, knowledgeable yet still very passionate fans.

We're definitely off that pedestal and in fact, from reading around other messages boards the last few years, we're actually probably the most hated fan base in the NHL, atleast on par with the Leafs. The anthem booing, the banana peal incident, the booing 1 home player regardless of play, the list goes on.

Like I said, I don't care, but when I see people talk about us being the classiest fan base in sports I laugh. For the record, I think this whole voting thing is being blown a bit out of proportion, it's the NHL's job to take care of this, anyone could have figured out this would have happened.
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